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 Post subject: Hellstaff fires single round
PostPosted: 24 Sep 2010, 16:07 
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Self-explanatory I hope, when I tap the fire key, only one hellstaff projectile is shot, not two as it should be. If it was edited this way deliberately, do mind I prefer the original two-shot behavior. One, it makes the weapon more resemble the Doom chaingun (as opposed to the plasma gun as people wrongly think). Two, I can be more relaxed with my trigger finger while dishing out more damage.
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 Post subject: Re: Hellstaff fires single round
PostPosted: 24 Sep 2010, 18:06 
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IMO it's a balancing mechanism; The hellstaff is powerful, but chews through its ammo more recklessly. Not a bad scheme, really.

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One, it makes the weapon more resemble the Doom chaingun (as opposed to the plasma gun as people wrongly think).
It is more similar to the Plasma Rifle. You'd have to make it a hitscan weapon (like, say, the Dragon Claw) for it to be close to the Chaingun; Basing a connection on "it fires two shots at a time" alone is, well, poor.
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 Post subject: Re: Hellstaff fires single round
PostPosted: 24 Sep 2010, 18:39 
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printz wrote:
One, it makes the weapon more resemble the Doom chaingun

Heretic is its own game, not a midieval Doom clone. In my opinion, it's really unfortunate that its weapons were so analogous to Doom's weapons in the first place.

Also, on something as small as firing one shot or two for clicking once, the "because its different from the original" isn't a great argument.
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 Post subject: Re: Hellstaff fires single round
PostPosted: 24 Sep 2010, 19:18 
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NeuralStunner wrote:
IMO it's a balancing mechanism; The hellstaff is powerful, but chews through its ammo more recklessly. Not a bad scheme, really.
It's supposed to chew ammo recklessly, because hell ammo is abundant. Remember the sabreclaws and how numerous they are?

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It is more similar to the Plasma Rifle. You'd have to make it a hitscan weapon (like, say, the Dragon Claw) for it to be close to the Chaingun; Basing a connection on "it fires two shots at a time" alone is, well, poor.

Aspect-wise yes, it's more similar to the Plasma Rifle. But by power, I'd say the dragonclaw is stronger than hellstaff. The hellstaff does 3 damage, as opposed to plasma which does 5 and it's more of a power weapon in Doom than a general-usage weapon as the hellstaff is in Heretic.

Also, the much more common ammo and usage for the hellstaff than the energy cells, the 4-tic duration instead of 3, the lack of a cooldown.

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Also, on something as small as firing one shot or two for clicking once, the "because its different from the original" isn't a great argument.

See my other argument, then, which is about firing two missiles from a simple click. It has the benefit that I don't have to concentrate on pressing the mouse to deliver two-shot bursts. In fact, considering that those fireballs only do 13.5 damage on average, a single shot from a single tap wouldn't be very useful. Two of them would only cause 27 damage, which is neither excessive nor wasting (I rarely ever got below 100 ammo in Heretic, and I suspect those wacky Sabreclaws for it).

Finally, what was it about not modifying original weapons' behaviours? ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: Hellstaff fires single round
PostPosted: 26 Sep 2010, 04:47 
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This is easy enough to change, and it matters little to me either way. Might as well make it the way it originally was, given it's a minor difference at best.

I'm keeping the improved animation, though. I always hated how every other shot suddenly had no flash.


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PostPosted: 10 Mar 2012, 10:42 
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