You are disgusting man!

Well, I've done some preliminary work on the resource wad so far. Figure I'll go ahead and share the designs I've been considering:



The idea is twofold: simplicity and utility. The weapons shouldn't be anything huge, unwieldy, or special-effect-happy, and they should also fill a unique enough role to not just be a "me too" weapon. Of all behaviors, the Dark Claw's is the most subject to change. "Beam weapon" sounds fun, but it's not super-original and it's possible that there's a better opportunity for a cool engine showcase. Feel free to toss in some ideas to the pot. It's not done yet.

In addition to these, I'm also considering tweaking up the Shotgun and Chaingun balance a bit, namely making the former fire 10 pellets per shot and the latter be a bit faster (3 tics per second) to make 'em more useful against Doom 2's more dangerous cast. Thoughts on this? I can see why one would be hesitant to change the original balance and the new weapons could certainly provide a good amount of new content anyway, but it's something I saw another wad do once and I thought it was neat enough to bring up. Discuss. ;P

Just out of curiosity, are these additional weapons or is it a complete new weapon base? I'd suggest the latter, everything else would be simply too much for a one-map-project. I wasn't sure as you've mentioned the Chaingun and Shotgun as well.

I agree here. However, here are my thoughts on the weapons list:

• Rifle - I like the idea of it being in the middle between the pistol and the chaingun, power-wise. And, as you said, it'd would be a useful weapon early in the game where you don't want players to have access to rather major fire power yet at the same time you want to give them something decent enough to keep low-tier enemies at bay without overpowering them.
• Nailgun - Sounds like it could be a chaingun-replacement.
• Flamethrower - If its 'projectiles' go through multiple enemies (+RIPPER), then I approve.
• Hand Grenades - Though I don't like their unpredictability, they're a whole lot fun to use. Also, being not used as an actual weapon you'd switch to is a plus in my book, thus I approve.
• Dark Claw & Soulrender - How are they compared in terms of power to the plasma rifle and bfg? Can we safetly say that they can replace them later in the game? Also, if those two weapons make it in, it'd probably be a good a idea that they're found in the hell section of the map, IMO.

As for modifying the original weapons, I guess it depends on whether or not the custom ones will replace some of the originals.

What I would really like to have is a set of weapons that completely or mostly replace the original weapons in use. I don't see a reason for having 9 original Doom weapons and additionally 6 more weapons to deal with. But I really see potential in having the pistol and the shogun - and then all the new weapons you are working on Xaser.

I am sure you do get my point and most likely agree as it is not your first weapon modding overall I think you know what you are doing.

My idea for a dark claw weapon would be a hitscan with spread and a range limit. Something like three rows of low-damage hits. As if you were telekinetically scratching your foes at a distance with a giant invisible claw.

But that'd make it a bit like the flamethrower, in that it'd be a limited range weapon.

I like it, it reminds me of my arsenal from Deepest Evil (which I'm re-releasing with double the levels soon), I had slot2 pistol but that got replaced by a machinegun, slot 3 just shotgun, slot 4 nailgun with NO chaingun... 5 tho was rocket launcher, 6 pule rifle... 7 was a hell weapon... etc... so it can still feel very Doom One-ney but enhanced!

Also for a monster, a slightly stronger imp that shoots *5* projectiles like the Dark Bishop, but I replaced the tired imp fireball with the alpha 'orangePlasma' for the regular imp so it also fits with this new, more muscular imp.

The way I was planning on setting it up was to add them as new weapons in addition to the original ones. The whole idea was to pick unique behaviors that didn't mirror Doom's original weapons (so they'd mesh in nicely) and make them fit in as much as possible stylistically as wel. I'll probably stick to the "extra" paradigm, but since the slots line up nicely, I suppose mappers could exclude some of the original weapons and include the new ones in their place, since power is roughly the same per-slot (though swapping the RL for the Flamethrower would provide vastly different mechanics overall -- something to keep in mind).

Not that I'd think weapon overload would be a problem, though -- it's one map, but likely a really large one. The higher-tier new weapons can be introduced late in the map and more or less replace the "old" weapon on its slot by virtue of not providing ammo for it (excluding the Rifle and Nailgun which each have a Shotgun->SSG sort of relationship with their slot-partners anyway). I can definitely see how lots of weapons can lead to a clusterfuck if done wrong, but I definitely think it's possible to do things right through careful balance. We've got a whole stage dedicated to that.

Finally, for time constraints, I'm probably going to resort to using temporary graphics for the nailgun and flamethrower, since I don't have a resource in mind for either of them at the moment (well, nailgun sorta, but the graphics are unfinished). I may do some edits myself laterish, and plugging in the finished sprites should be easy to do during stage 2 or 3 (or maybe I'll do it myself during the boss stint). If anyone knows of some really nice centered graphics they think would fit, let me know -- I've already ruled out the TiC flamethrower, though, so don't suggest that.

While I'm here, I may as well ask: should I collect some useful textures as well, or is there an initial resource for that in mind? Might be good to provide a few cool new things especially since there's a nice thread on ZDF that showcases a lot of stuff that really needs to be used.

Exactly what I have already done

I have just uploaded the resources that I've collected so far. Feel free to add your weapons and also additonal textures to the pack you find worthy, so I can start on the first of April on sunday.

Link: http://druckerei-frey.de/uploads/textures.zip
(btw, please keep them Doom-paletted lumps in case we use an alternate playpal)

I decided to do the previously unthinkable and uploaded all of my general-use texture edits as I figured you guys would have use for these and Delta isn't actually going anywhere...
So here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/?iladai79uupbydu

Credits go to id, NiGHTMARE, Eriance, Vader, Hexen and SLADE 2 (o_O) for base graphics. ANIMDEFS may be lacking something